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A loving discussion with Catholics ...

Updated: Jul 2

These are some scriptures that can be referenced when having a loving discussion with a person who professes to be or identifies as Catholic. Do not try to convince them, just share the truth of the Besorah (Gospel) with them and persuade them to truly search the scriptures then let RUACH HaQodesh do the work in them.

O YAHAWAH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the other nations shall come unto you from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. ...YIRMEYAHU (JEREMIAH) 16:19

Examine yourself ...

2 Corinthians 13 vs 5 ... add 1 Corinthians 11 vs 31 and 1 Corinthians 11 vs 28

And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.

... YOCHANON (JOHN) 8:32

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Adonai YAHAWAHSHAH Ha'MASHIACH, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his RUACH in the inner man; That MASHIACH may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all qodeshiym what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of MASHIACH, which passes knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of ELOHIYM.

... EPH'SIYM (EPHESIANS) 3:14-19

Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 ... Narrow road

Use discernment ...

Deuteronomy 6 vs 4-5 ... Shema

Matthew 22 vs 37

Mark 12 vs 30***

Luke 10 vs 27***

Seek to know MASHIACH as you follow him. MASHIACH said in John 10:

My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me


The Catholic Church has added false doctrines to the Besorah (Gospel), which goes against what the scriptures have said:

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may guard the commandments of YAHAWAH ELOHAYKEM which I command you.


For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this cepher, If any man shall add unto these things, ELOHIYM shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this cepher: And if any man shall take away from the words of the cepher of this prophecy, ELOHIYM shall take away his part out of the cepher of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this cepher.


Consider the following false doctrines ...

  • 7 Sacraments are a lie

  • Purgatory is a lie

  • Indulgences are a lie

  • Salvation through Mary is a lie

  • Accessing MASHIACH through Mary by praying to or through her is a lie

  • Praying to dead saints for assistance and intercession is a lie

  • MASHIACH's Sacrifice was insufficient is a lie

  • Kepha (Peter) is the rock is a lie

  • Kepha (Peter) was the 1st Pope is a lie

  • Catholic Church was the 1st church is a lie

If these statements or beliefs are truth ... Where are they in the Bible?

What do the scriptures say about Mary?

Matthew 12 vs 46-50

Mark 3 vs 31-35

Luke 2 vs 48 – 49

John 19 vs 25 - 27

and also in Luke:

Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. And it was told him by certain which said, Your mother and your brethren stand without, desiring to see you. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the Word of ELOHIYM, and do it.

... LUQAS (LUKE) 8:19-21


Luke 11 vs 27 & 28 ... The answer of MASHIACH to someone exalting His Mother Mary

Mary is not a mediator, not the queen of Heaven and not the mother of GOD … just his earthly mother but catholicism declares her as a co-mediator with MASHIACH or the mediator who has taken over from MASHIACH

But the scriptures clearly state ...

There is just 1 Mediator ... MASHIACH alone = 1 Timothy 2 vs 5

MASHIACH never ever attributed the title of 'Queen of Heaven' or 'Mother of GOD' to His mother, Mary. Never!! No!! Not once was such a declaration made by MASHIACH.

But before His death He did declare the following:

When YAHAWAHSHAH therefore saw his mother, and the Talmiyd standing by, whom he loved, he said unto his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the Talmiyd, Behold your mother! And from that hour that Talmiyd took her unto his own home.

... YOCHANON (JOHN) 19:26-27

According to Jewish culture, widows are protected by their sons, so to protect His earthly mother, MASHIACH handed her over to His Talmiyd (disciple) to take care of her since He was about to depart.

Other recorded interactions between MASHIACH and His mother Mary can be found in these verses: Luke 2 vs 48 – 49

John 2 vs 1 - 12



YAHAWAHSHAH said unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me. ... YOCHANON (JOHN) 14:6

There is no other way to ABBA YAHAWAH but through MASHIACH


Study to show yourself approved unto ELOHIYM, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.


But continue in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing of whom you have learned them; And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto yeshu`ah through faith which is in YAHAWAHSHAH Ha'MASHIACH. All Scripture is given by the RUACH ELOHIYM, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of ELOHIYM may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


NOW the RUACH speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing ruachoth, and doctrines of devils;


Having a form of holiness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


Now as Iannes and Iambres withstood Mosheh, so do these also resist the Truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.


NOW we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Adonai YAHAWAHSHAH Ha'MASHIACH, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by ruach, nor by word, nor by cepher as from us, as that the day of Yahuah is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called ELOHIYM, or that is worshipped; so that he as ELOHIYM sits in the Temple of ELOHIYM, showing himself that he is ELOHIYM.


For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way.


You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I YAHAWAH ELOHAYKA am a jealous EL, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

... SHEMOTH (EXODUS) 20:4-5

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says YAHAWAH.


But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Yashar'el; After those days, says YAHAWAH , I will put my TORAH in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their ELOHIYM, and they shall be my people.


And YAHAWAHSHAH came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the RUACH Ha'Qodesh: Teaching them to guard all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amein.


Sanctify them through your Truth: your Word is Truth.

... YOCHANON (JOHN) 17:17

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of ELOHIYM, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of ELOHIYM's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of ELOHIYM.

... ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 10:2-3

Paul's Prayer:

BRETHREN, my heart's desire and prayer to ELOHIYM for Yashar'el is, that they might be saved.


Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in Adonai YAHAWAHSHAH, and love unto all the qodeshiym, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the ELOHIYM of our Adonai YAHAWAHSHAH Ha'MASHIACH, the Father of glory, may give unto you the RUACH Chokmah V'zayon in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the qodeshiym, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in MASHIACH, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And has put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the called out assembly, Which is his body, the fulness of him that fills all in all.

... EPH'SIYM (EPHESIANS) 1:15-23


Let this mind be in you, which was also in MASHIACH YAHAWAHSHAH: Who, being in the form of ELOHIYM, thought it not robbery to be equal with ELOHIYM: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore ELOHIYM also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of YAHAWAHSHAH every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that YAHAWAH is YAHAWAHSHAH Ha'MASHIACH, to the glory of ELOHIYM the Father.



For ELOHIYM so loved the world, that he gave his yachiyd, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

... YOCHANON (JOHN) 3:16


5 Solas:

Sola scriptura (Scripture alone)

Sola gratia (grace alone)

Sola fide (faith alone)

Solus Christus (Christ alone)

Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God alone)


Neither is there yeshu`ah in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

... MA'ASIYM (ACTS) 4:12

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of ELOHIYM: Not of works, lest any man should boast.


But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to ELOHIYM must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


The Just shall live by Faith:

Isaiah 50 vs 10;

Romans 1 vs 17;

Romans 4 vs 18;

Galatians 3 vs 11;

Philippians 3 vs 3;

Hebrews 10 vs 38;

Hebrews 11 vs 1

Righteousness of MASHIACH & Our Faith:

Romans 10 vs 4-13

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of ELOHIYM.

... ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 10:17

Salvation based Works of Obedience:

For we are his workmanship, created in MASHIACH YAHAWAHSHAH unto good works, which ELOHIYM has before ordained that we should walk in them.


For it is written, As I live, says YAHAWAH, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to ELOHIYM.

... ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 14:11 => Isaiah 45 vs 23 & Philippians 2 vs 9 - 11

So then everyone of us shall give account of himself to ELOHIYM.

... ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 14:12

Let not then your good be evil spoken of: For the Kingdom of ELOHIYM is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the RUACH Ha'Qodesh. For he that in these things serves MASHIACH is acceptable to ELOHIYM, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

... ROMAIYM (ROMANS) 14:16-19

Nothing extra is needed.

ABBA can do whatever He wants and whatever pleases Him to do ... He does in Heaven, on earth and below the earth.

But our ELOHIYM is in the heavens: he has done whatsoever he has pleased.


Whatsoever YAHAWAH pleased, that did He in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.


Now, regarding salvation of mankind, ABBA YAHAWAH, as MASHIACH YAHAWAHSHAH, completed the work of salvation in totality.

Yes!! He completed everything fully then finally declared, before giving up His Spirit:

'It is finished!!!'

Unfortunately, the catholic church says that the work of salvation was not finished by MASHIACH and so they added Mary, dead saints, purgatory, works, sacraments, indulgences, the pope and more. Hence telling lies. Placing a burden on people like forbidding priests and nuns to marry and commanding that people abstain from food as pointed out in 1 Timothy 4 vs 2 - 3


YAHAWAHSHAH said unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me. YOCHANON (JOHN) 14:6

And so ... when you know the truth, you will be set free (John 8 vs 32) because ...

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

... YOCHANON (JOHN) 8:36


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